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Redefining Success and Prioritizing What Truly Matters with High-Performance Coach, Matt Gerlach

• Becca Powers • Season 1 • Episode 77

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What if your definition of success is the very thing keeping you stuck?

In this episode of The EmPOWERed Half Hour, Becca sits down with transformational life coach Matt Gerlach to unpack the journey from burnout to alignment. After building a seven-figure business, Matt realized that financial success didn’t automatically lead to fulfillment. He shares how listening to himself, prioritizing well-being, and making intentional choices changed everything.

Together, they explore the power of self-awareness, how trauma influences our decisions, and why true success isn’t about external achievements but about building a life that truly lights you up. If you’ve ever felt stuck in the pursuit of more, this conversation will challenge you to rethink your approach and step into a version of success that actually feels good.


Key Moments You Won't Want to Miss:

  • Matt’s Breaking Point – After years of prioritizing work over well-being, Matt hit a major health crisis that forced him to rethink everything. Instead of pushing through, he finally stopped to listen to what his body and mind were telling him.
  • The Power of Alignment – Matt shares how learning to listen to himself completely changed his career and happiness. By embracing his passions and setting boundaries, he built a business that supports his life instead of one that controls it.
  • Healing Through Self-Discovery – Becca and Matt discuss the impact of unresolved trauma on our professional lives. They unpack how personal healing can lead to greater success, better relationships, and true fulfillment.


About Matt

Matt is uniquely positioned as a trusted guru for entrepreneurs, with a proven track record of helping dozens of startups scale to 7, 8, and 9 figures over the past 15 years. His expertise is complemented by a deep understanding of the struggles many entrepreneurs face. After launching his first business, Matt encountered debilitating anxiety, depression, and suicidal thoughts. By investing over $200k and 10,000 hours in personal healing and growth, he emerged as a beacon of transformation. Confronting and healing his past gave Matt the confidence and strength to scale his own business, earning himself an impressive $1M/year. Today, Matt hosts a weekly podcast and is writing a book about his journey. He works closely with entrepreneurs and executives grappling with self-doubt and anxiety, guiding them to lead their businesses—and lives—to maximum profit, freedom, and impact.

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Becca Powers: Welcome to another episode of the empowered half hour. And here we are in 2025. Getting ready to bring the best out of us. And I am very excited to bring you transformational life coach, Matt Gerlach. And he is one of my, I would say, colleagues at the brand builders group. And we got connected and I thought he would be perfect to come onto the show and bring a little inspiration for you guys.

So Matt, welcome to the show. 

Matt Gerlach: Thank you so much for having me. I'm so grateful to be here and, happy new year. 

Becca Powers: Yeah. Happy new year. So I love that you're a transformational life coach that you focus and work with high performers too. Cause I'm like obsessed with the high performer who is like willing to sacrifice all in the name of success.

But then finds out that life isn't fulfilling. It's not happy. They're not healthy and they need to go and fix everything. So, I'm like, when I find others like me that are helping these people, I'm like, hello, let's help our fellow high performers out. but how did you get into this work? I'd love to know a little bit about your backstory.

Matt Gerlach: Awesome. yeah, I feel the same way that, working with high performers and it's more fun and it's more. fulfilling to work with people that are going to do the work necessary to change their situations. And like, it doesn't have to be always like pro I mean, when I think back to my coaching experiences in terms of me being the, coachee, a lot of it is, I mean, there's not always like.

huge deliverables each week. A lot of it is just like, I mean, so much of it is just the ideating and like the continuous thought process. I just want to make sure everyone knows that, it's not always like this week I have to write a new chapter of the book. it's the thought, it's the passive work, as I say, that is important.

And that's what high performers show up to. I 

Becca Powers: love that you're sharing that because high performers, we, and I am one too. So I identify with all my fellow friends out there, but it's not always about the doing it's learning how to be in the being right. And that is the part that is hard for a high performer is just to be in like.

Ruminate on, different concepts and different ways to show up in life. It's like, Whoa, I can do that. I can have my career and also, enjoy my family and work on developing those relationships. It's like, yes. 

Matt Gerlach: Let's come back to the being in a little bit and talk about that. Because that's a big part of my journey and what I help my clients with when, as a high performer, we've already said high performer 75 times, but as a high performer, 

 we're used to always doing and there comes a point where we have to be and surrender relinquish control. So. Yeah, I'm excited to talk more about that. 

Becca Powers: Yeah. So share. I just got excited off of what you said. So I was like, Oh, 

Matt Gerlach: yeah, totally. 

Becca Powers: But I want to hear more about your backstory. How did you get to where you are today?

Matt Gerlach: So my story, it starts in medias rest right in the middle of my life, I would say I'm, 32 years old, I was laid off from a job. I worked for a Silicon Valley software startup and, I was laid off. I knew it would happen I mean, I knew it was going to happen. The company was.

Going the wrong direction, necessarily. I had actually made a lot of money. I mean, I was in business development for the company and I think I probably made more than anybody else because like I was bringing deals into the company that they couldn't close, so I'm not sure that I didn't make more money than I, and I'm very transparent about this.

It's a part of my story, but this was in 2016 and I was making about 250, 000. I was living in New York, which is good money. It wasn't like life changing. yeah,

 and I was laid off from my job and working for this company, I had incredible freedom. No one checked. I mean, you could work from wherever and just get the job done.

It was, the first time I'd ever had that before. And, I couldn't go back to like holding my chair down on a Friday afternoon, waiting for my boss to tell me it's time to leave. So, I asked around, I outsourced my decision making back then. And somebody said, you should start a business.

And I said, okay. And they said, well, do a consulting business for, baby product brands. That's what you've been doing. I said, okay. They pointed me in the direction and I started consulting for baby product brands. This was not the right direction for my life. And My story is interesting in that I don't regret this per se, but, It wasn't the right direction for my life.

And I didn't know how to make decisions for myself. So I remember, the first client I had, we're at this like delicious dinner and throwing back dirty martinis with the blue cheese stuffed olives. And just like, this was not what I wanted to be doing. The person I was sitting across from wasn't a nice businessman.

He was actually somebody who was. I think we called him the curmudgeon. He was a very like, mean, kind of selfish man. And I remember him looking at me like, Oh my God, you know so much about this and you're going to change my life. And very true. And I should have known then that this was not the right path, but I, didn't know.

Something 

Becca Powers: fell out of alignment, but you just kept going. 

Matt Gerlach: I just kept going. And I built my business very quickly. I don't remember how I came up with this number, but like the goal was to make like 16, 000 a month and like within two months I was doing that. And, I was drinking, all the time.

 I shouldn't say all the time I was drinking in the evenings and, at lunches and things like that with clients, I was always moving, I was in airplanes all the time, drinking on airplanes, marijuana at night to fall asleep, and, I became an anxious. nervous, worried wreck of a person and went to the doctor, found out I had high blood pressure and started on blood pressure medication.

And, I was just so terrified that I would crumble and I kept pushing more and more and more so I would make more money. So when I did crumble, I would have enough money in the bank to finally like pay for that crumbling Recovery time and which is just insane looking back at this, but I'm not alone.

Becca Powers: This is, no, it's, the vicious cycle. That's what happens. 

Matt Gerlach: so my partner and I moved to LA from New York. My health was suffering and he, told me that we really need to move to LA and, I finally agreed to it. And then, We exited the plane at LAX, we're in our apartment unpacking and I felt dizzy, lightheaded, short of breath.

My chest was hurting. I took my blood pressure and it was, like 180 over 115. And I went to the hospital and I spent my first night checked into the hospital. Wow. 

Becca Powers: reality check, right? 

Matt Gerlach: Reality check. And I still didn't really know what to do about it. I mean, I was very compliant. I did what the doctor said.

I was going to, you know, a dozen different types of doctors. I found yoga. I found acupuncture. I found I was in three different types of therapy. My cousin, my cousin, my partner and I were going to couples therapy. date nights for the meditation studio. I was I was cardiologist pulmonologist. I was short of breath and I thought I had chest or I thought I had lung cancer.

It was really looking back anxiety. And, finally, this all led somewhere to where in a therapist's office, I realized, that I. Was this way that I was struggling so bad setting boundaries and advocating for myself because the trauma I experienced in childhood Had never been addressed and I find my story like different and almost relatable.

I think more so My childhood wasn't like horrible. I was not throwing down a flight of stairs. There were a lot of things that happened. And I'm mentioning this just because it took me a very long time to acknowledge that what they call little t trauma, which is not super like horrific, violent things, which is called big T trauma, little T trauma matters.

Becca Powers: And 

Matt Gerlach: There were things that happened that probably did cross a little bit into the big T trauma, but my childhood was a lot of little T trauma.I was abandoned at school by my friends when they found out I was gay in the fifth grade. Well, I mean, I didn't really know I was gay in the fifth grade, but when they could sense that I was different from them.

 and I just have kept this all in and, the alcohol came around at 17, 18 years old and just kind of Numbed what needed to be numbed and, cigarettes. I smoke cigarettes all the time, which is just like so fun. Oh, I 

Becca Powers: did too, for sure. It's like, 

Matt Gerlach: now I think about it, like if I had a cigarette right now, like in the morning or something, I would like, I'd have it in front 

Becca Powers: of me.

Can you imagine? Yeah, he used to start every morning with the cigarette, like what? 

Matt Gerlach: so yeah, this all sent me down a path of healing. I immediately got a coach that, helped me advocate for my worth and set boundaries. And very quickly after, bringing her on board, she helped me work through financial problems and limiting beliefs around financial trauma that I had.

And I grew my business to where it was earning me a million dollars a year. and I don't say that to brag at all. I say that just because that's the power of healing. And when you learn your worth, You learn to advocate for it, and if you're a high performer who is doing remarkable things for your business or for your company that you work for, you're worth a lot of money.

A lot of people doing what you're doing. I 

Becca Powers: love that you're sharing that because, for the audience, they may have heard this. I'll probably have heard it more than once, but, just relating back to what you're sharing. So in my personal story, so I have had a lot of little T, a lot of big T, but on the big T side of things, I lost my mom.

She was 46 and I was 23. And then my dad passed away when I was 35 and he was 62. So by the time I was 35 years old, I had lost both my parents. And I would say that I lost. both my parents to exactly what you're talking about, like this disconnection from themselves. Like they, when I was born, they were full time musicians.

And so I refer to this as the radiance. They were in their radiance. They were in their potential. They knew who they were. They were expressing who they were. And then through the series of raising kids and lifing, right. responsibility bills. My dad, put more time into being a civil engineer.

My mom took more time into being a manager at Starbucks and raising us kids. And the music stopped and then literally like figuratively it stopped and then literally it stopped. And,I found myself in a very similar position as you. I was making six figures, I was a senior leader at a company. It was maybe a year or two after my dad passed away and I was still just like pushing through, pushing through, and I collapsed on the bathroom floor one night after like my fourth bad day in a row.

And. on the outside, I look like this big power, this powerhouse of a woman. I've got this, I've got that. I'm out doing the whining and dining and the, you know, I've got the kids, the house, the husband, the dogs, all the things. And on the inside, I am laying powerless on the freaking bathroom floor.

And I don't even have enough energy to stand up, like talk about a transformational time in life. Like I.had nowhere to go but up and I, called on like God universe. And I was just like, Hey, like I can't do tomorrow the same way I'm doing today. And, I only know how to do tomorrow the same way I'm doing today.

And I heard voice from within come and say like, Becca, you're the CEO of your life. And so like that empowered me to stand up off the bathroom floor.  and a version of me did die that day. the one that was learning to settle the one that was pushing for other people's, outcomes, but I rose off the floor, a different person than the one that went down and I say that because, you went into the hospital, I collapsed on the bathroom floor when I collapsed on the bathroom floor.

I didn't know at the time, I had formed autoimmune disease connected tissue. It took me years to heal after this. I was diagnosed with two anxiety disorders, chronic stress, chronic fatigue. like you different, but like you, I mean, the list of things that were wrong and the list of specialists I had to go to from acupuncture to heal.

It was acupuncture, yoga, meditation, finding out who I was in that alignment. So I appreciate your story because I think Your story is kind of normal. Like I have big loss, you have little t's, but they're not really a little right. Abandonment because of who you are is huge. Right. but it makes it relatable to the audience, to the listeners that listen, you don't have to have some crazy life thing happen in order for your life.

upside down. It happens to everyday people and listen to Matt's story and the wisdom that he's sharing because within it is the turnaround point. So let's start to transition the story a little bit to more of the empowering side. Like, where are you now? And what are you helping people do? 

Matt Gerlach: Thank you for that.

I love what you shared and I just want to honor everything that you've gone through as well. And It's all the journey of life. And I think that when I'm hearing you say this, like, I don't think, I think it's all a story of alignment of finding alignment and learning who we are and what we need.

And I was in this, like the job that I had, there was nothing wrong with it. Like it's just. So to kind of fast forward to today, I left my last, consulting client. I had two clients that I'd been with for one, six years and some change one, seven years and some change. So it's been about five months since I've left.

And the first few months were, it was really interesting, like having to, Let me back up a tiny bit. I started my coaching business about six months prior to leaving my consulting clients and bringing on, a few clients and, I loved doing it. And then when I ended the consulting part of my business, was a struggle because I started heading down the wrong paths again.

Like I started going to some of these events, like trying to meet people that, and I was like, I don't want to work with these people. And it's not that they're bad people. It's just like, I 

Becca Powers: am 

Matt Gerlach: like a really compassionate business leader. and I work with people on their businesses.

 That I focus on these high performers that are either in their corporate careers and looking to start something different on their own, or people that are building their own businesses and need help building their businesses and creating them into ones that are super fulfilling.

and I care about people more than I care about money. Like I say, I don't run a business where like. We have to maximize every dollar. Like, and I work with people and that's why I have such a passion for entrepreneurship, because when you're your own boss of your own business, you don't have to maximize every dollar either because it's your money and you have to decide whether you want to treat people well.

And like, I like to give this example, like if I'm the boss and forget to give you an assignment. That's like my fault, and I can't be a procrastinator that is like making your life miserable because I still want to make 100 percent of the company's potential, but I don't want to do my end of the bargain and like in my business, I mean, in my own business, like in my own coaching business, mentorship business, I accept that like I could make more money if I, Okay.

wanted to push people harder, but I don't like I really care about people and wellness is a big part of what I do. I'm a yoga teacher. I love cooking and I see your 

Becca Powers: spiritual gangster shirt. And I was going to comment on that. I'm like, I'm a Kundalini yoga teacher is my Yoga 

Matt Gerlach: has changed everything for me, but, yeah, I mean, so during these past five months, I've been in a transitionary period, like, and it's really been like, what do I want to spend the rest of my life doing?

Like, and it's been interesting too, because like, I have had some. what's so I can't think of the word right now, but like, I had been comparing myself to others. I'm like, well, this person's like building a legacy business that they're going to be able to sell to somebody else.

And I'm like, why can't I'm like, Matt, you don't want this. Like, yeah, no, 

Becca Powers: yeah, I get what you're saying. You're like, I need to build Matt's legacy. And I, if it retires with me, then that retires with me. You know, 

Matt Gerlach: I've made money in my life. I need to. we live in Los Angeles. Life is expensive. So I do need to make some money still, but like what I really love doing is I love working one on one with people.

I like working with their businesses and coming in and helping people with their sales and revenue growth problems as well. I'm also writing a book. I write personal essays that I am pitching to big media outlets. I host my own podcast. 

Becca Powers: One, I really have a 

Matt Gerlach: passion for like. I don't want to call it content creation.

It's really more of like sharing my story and inspiring others. And that's a business that's not necessarily, sellable. And I'm at peace with that. And it's been interesting, like. Really, really like deciding what I'm doing with my life and I love cooking more than anything in the entire world. 

Becca Powers: Really?

I didn't get that Gene, but to tell. 

Matt Gerlach: You know, I mean, I love it because it's, something that, You know, growing up like with childhood trauma, like I didn't have any creative outlets. Like I've actually thought like, mean, 10 years ago I would have said, I don't have a single creative bone in my whole body because I had, just never, like, there were always bigger fish to fry.

I was worried about survival. I didn't get to like spend time on unnecessary things like learning about who I was or my identity. It was always like, make money. I love 

Becca Powers: that you're sharing that so much. I just want to pause for the listeners because do you hear that? Like I hear that so much too, Matt, when I'm working with the professionals are like, I didn't know that I had a creative side and that could just be cooking or gardening.

It doesn't necessarily need me to be like writing a book or a painting in the traditional sense of creativity. They're like, I didn't know I could do that. And so. The reason I wanted to pause this for the listeners, Matt's like sharing that 10 years ago. He didn't know he had a creative bone in his body and now he's sitting here.

he's a writer. He is a podcaster. He's a coach. He's a life coach, a business coach. He's cooking. Do you see like his passions are increasing as he. Finds out more of who he is. And that's happening for me too. I'm like, oh my gosh. Like the possibilities are endless. But I just wanted to pause there because I think it's important for the listeners to like, not only hear that, but to give themselves permission to explore that.

Matt Gerlach: Thank you for saying that. and it's looked different than I expected and I'm really. Proud of my relationship with money, maybe the evolution of it more so than the end result. I still have, I still struggle a bit, like I worry a tad bit more than the average person probably.

 I mean, over these past five months, I've really been able to confirm, to get behind, that I would rather give up. Some of the tangible things I have which I don't have like that much I mean, I have a nice house But other than that, like I'm not like there's not a lot of luxuries over here But like I would rather be I'd rather give up the house and be pursuing a life That makes me feel good than having a house that makes me feel good Doing a job that I don't want to do.

And I can't like, it's been just quite the journey over these past five months. Like understanding what it is I want to do. I want to build my own business, my own smallish, you know, I mean, a couple of million dollar a year business is amazing. I like helping other people build their 10 million, 20 million, 30 million businesses.

I have no interest in being in a boardroom. I have no interest in somebody's billion dollar business at this point. That could change one day, but like, I can't believe that I spent 20 years, like thinking that my calling in life was business only when now, like if I could write and speak and talk and teach for a living, like.

Cook for a living. Like those are my interest. 

Becca Powers: I'm seeing you light up. Even when you say those words, you know, that's really awesome. 

Matt Gerlach: Well, I'm lighting up because I just never thought this was possible. And the more, yes, do you know who Ina Garten is? So she's like a very, very big, cook, online person, I mean, I have TV personality.

She's been on the food network probably for the past 15 years. And I found her when I like started my healing journey and really really at that point, I learned how much I loved cooking and I'm good at it. Like I don't have a lot of natural talents like singing and dancing and playing sports, like totally at peace with that.

I'm not good at those things and I don't have any desire to be, but I'm good at cooking. And so during this transition, I know she's has, I think, 13 cookbooks or something. She's made herself like. Quite the empire and doing it the way that she wants to. And, she came out with her memoir and that would have been like in, I think, September of 2024.

And in this journey, I started reading this memoir of hers and like, I thought she was teaching the world how to cook, but what she was teaching us is how to live a happy life. 

Becca Powers: Oh, I got the goosebumps as you say that 

Matt Gerlach: she's remarkable and she's like 80 years old now, maybe 82 I think she doesn't I mean, she doesn't look like 30, but she doesn't she looks like 60 I mean she looks so happy and then reading her story also like I got to see like, you know, they moved a lot they actually bought a home her and her husband that they like immediately realized they couldn't afford and they sold it immediately and like Now they live in quite beautiful place in West Hampton or East Hampton, 

 it got me to see that, and her husband who he's like the Dean at Yale. He's been on Wall Street. He's done some pretty okay things smart guy He said and I wish I had this verbatim, but it was like he said to her do what you love and when you do what you love you're gonna be really good at it and like people will pay for that and So I started to see like that they moved and they rented houses and like, it wasn't always great.

And she worked all the time, like, but it was doing something she loved. And they ended up in this like dream life that they have. And, I got to see that like, and right now, well, I'm on this journey of creating a life that I find incredibly fulfilling. My calling is to coach others, help them learn what I've learned.

I've built myself a million dollar a year business working in 15, 20 hours a week to I'll add that, by setting boundaries, hiring, advocating for what my worth was. And I realized that that wasn't fulfilling and it's also important. I don't know that you get to really have a lot of choices without putting in some time to save some money.

So you have choices and. I help people do that now while creating my incredibly fulfilling life. I'm not exactly sure where this will all lead for me, but the writing part of my life, the cooking part of my life. 

Becca Powers: Oh, it'll lead to phenomenal things. But yeah, it's like, what I refer to as the beautiful unfolding.

It's not necessarily that you need to know. Exactly where it's going to go, but you follow that truth within yourself.  you mentioned the  word alignment. And what I have found to be true in my journey is that if I'm aligned to that truth, if I'm aligned to what I call my passions, what you're talking about, two things happen.

One is the success and the money is always the outcome of.  I make more money now. I have more success now, more accolades now, and I'm not trying for them. I'm literally just in my craft and doing the things that I love to do. I'm showing up. I'm helping people even like my job with Cisco. It's like, I love transformation.

That's like why I geeked out with you in the beginning, because like, I love personal transformation, professional transformation, business transformation. Like if there's transformation, I'm like, I'm in. But I'm aligned to that. And so the success and the money ends up being an outcome of my alignment, which is awesome.

It's so counterintuitive listeners, but like, if you pick up what Matt and I are talking about, that ends up what is happens. And then the other thing, what you're saying is, I don't know where it's going. Like for me. I have no idea where any of my journey is going either, but I know that because I'm aligned to it, that it's going to be a beautiful unfolding.

I have learned that over and over again. So like, yeah, I'm very anxiety ridden too, or at least past, like, and I say that because anxiety makes you think about the future, right? But now I get to tell anxiety, like, Hey, listen. You're a dirty liar because of what I have seen is now there's a pattern established that the unfolding that happens is 10 times more beautiful than I ever imagined.

And so I just wanted to take a second to geek out on that. Cause I love that you like. You ended up sharing that and that you ended up going there. 

Matt Gerlach: I love what you shared too. And yeah, I mean, anxiety, like that's been my biggest accomplishment I would say in life. Me, one of the top two or three is I don't suffer from anxiety anymore.

Yeah, me 

Becca Powers: neither. 

Matt Gerlach: I would say that, over these past few months, there have been, I would actually say that maybe a couple of years might have gone by where I didn't really feel anxiety at all. And I was always careful to kind of say like, is my anxiety gone? Like, it feels like, I don't want to like over generalize.

 and I felt it come back a little bit, but my therapist actually asked me about a month ago. He said, um,what's your relationship with existential dread existential worry or something? And I said, I don't really have that anymore. And he was like, that's the biggest change I've seen in you.

And that you don't, and that is awesome. I think that comes from the alignment, my definition of anxiety in a simple form, and I do think there are more complex anxieties and I'm not sure this isn't for every single person, but I think a lot of our anxieties are that our internal needs are not matching our outside environments and we are numbing ourselves, whether it be self medicating like I have or be going to the doctor and getting, a medication that we're going And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with medications, but I'm saying that a lot of times what we really need is to make those changes.

And a lot of times, like me, I didn't know those changes. I didn't know what I needed, and it took work with coaches and therapists, and I'm a huge reader. I think we could learn a lot from other people's stories. So, I don't think, I mean, even movies, documentaries, I just watched the Martha Stewart documentary recently.

Like there's just like things like this that you can like learn from. It doesn't have to be like reading a textbook. Like you just start to see other people and how they've made their life transformations and you get to start to see like, Oh, like this is what's going on. Like this person was suffering and they quit that job or they left that marriage and they started to feel different.

And a lot of them moved to a smaller house. A lot of them, like, had to get rid of some things, but you find me a person that, like, has let go of their problems for, to downsize and simplify, who's unhappy with that. I haven't met anybody in my life. 

Becca Powers: That's awesome. I think that's a very empowering message for the audience too, and, we're at the bottom of 30 minutes.

I didn't even know that. It, like, flew by, but I want to. Take that and I'd love you to wrap this conversation up with an empowering message for the audience. Like, how can they take, the insight that you've shared and apply it to their own life in a way that elevates them? 

Matt Gerlach: Yeah, I've been, this is flowing by too.

 so in the spirit of, brevity, listen to yourself. Like, my life's work has been learning to listen to myself and make the changes that my life signaled to me to make. This isn't about, like, necessarily reacting to everything that you feel or every, message you get from internally, but it's using that information to inform yourself and eventually distill it all to make changes that make sense.

 But we have, for you who, if you have had trauma in your history,  you're struggling to make those. changes  to take the agency required to make those changes because we've been told that we're not supposed to, we've been kind of rendered like we're not supposed to do things like that for ourselves.

And we can learn that. I'm not saying it's easy. I don't want to say any of this can be done on our own. A lot of us do need therapy or needs coach or need coaching, or needs help from friends that,  I mean, who have been there, but we are adults now, and we are allowed to make those changes for ourself and by making them.

Our lives become in alignment and, Every one of you are capable of doing this. And,it's all about listening to yourself and following and learning how to build that life. That makes you feel good. 

Becca Powers: Matt, like this is such a good way to kick off the new year.

I know I feel better having spent the last 30 minutes with you. And I hope the listeners do too. Thank you for being a guest so much. 

Matt Gerlach: Thank you. I really appreciate you.