Letting Go of the Checklist: A New Perspective on Fertility and Empowerment with Author and President of the National Ayurvedic Medical Association, Heather Grzych

What if the key to your next breakthrough isn’t trying harder—but tuning in deeper?

In this heartfelt episode of The EmPOWERed Half Hour, Becca welcomes Ayurvedic practitioner, author, and wellness expert, Heather Grzych for a soulful conversation about fertility, desire, and the power of presence. Heather opens up about her own unconventional journey to motherhood, sharing how tuning into her body, her environment, and her truth led to powerful self-awareness and peace—even in uncertainty.

Whether you’re navigating fertility challenges, big life transitions, or the pressure of having it “figured out,” this episode is filled with compassionate insights and empowering perspective shifts that will help you come back to your center.

Key Moments You Won't Want to Miss:

• Heather reflects on her own decision-making journey around motherhood, and how she navigated the pressure to “make it happen.
• Becca shares how fertility has become a common and rising conversation in her circles—and why it’s time we talk about it more openly.
• They explore the concept of “awareness as a flashlight,” and how tuning inward and outward helps us respond to life with wisdom.

About Heather

Heather Grzych, AD is an American author and expert in the natural healing practices of Ayurvedic medicine, who currently serves as the president of the National Ayurvedic Medical Association and faculty at Mount Madonna Institute College of Ayurveda. Heather is a board-certified Ayurvedic practitioner at the Ayurvedic Doctor level, and was formerly the head of product development for a multi-billion-dollar health insurance company. Her first book, The Ayurvedic Guide to Fertility, has sold thousands of copies worldwide, and her writing has been featured in Sports Illustrated, Yoga Journal, and the Sunday Independent. Her podcast, Wisdom of the Body, ranks in the top 3% of podcasts globally. 

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Becca Powers: Welcome to another episode of the Empowered Half Hour. I'm so excited to bring you today's guest because we're already friends. No, I air on her podcast and I just enjoyed the interview so much that I invited her to come on The Empowered Half Hour.

Today I have Heather gr with me. Heather, welcome to the Empowered Half 

Heather Grzych: Hour. Thank you so much, Becca. I'm so excited 'cause I was cold this morning and I'm so excited. You're gonna warm me up. That's right. That fire 

Becca Powers: energy is gonna come through. Well, guys, let me tell you a little bit about Heather. She is, a Ayurvedic, practitioner and she is an author.

Of a book that specializes in that. But, why I was pausing even the introduction is because she's just such an amazing person and she has, insights for overall wellness, infertility, and so much of what she's passionate about stemmed from her own journey. So I don't wanna give you everything.

I want you guys to hear it from her, but I can't wait to jump in. Heather, are you ready? I'm ready. Thank you so much for having me. All right. So. I know a little bit about you, but I wanna bring your story up forward for the guests. What's the background that got you so passionate about this topic and using this approach for wellness?

Heather Grzych: Okay, so let's go back. How many years? How old am I? It's like 50. I know I have to do the finger 

Becca Powers: game. 

Heather Grzych: What, what? Yeah, once you hit your forties, you lose track. So when I was in my early thirties, I woke up one day, hung over on a couch at my friend's house with my then husband. And I woke up and I said It was New Year's Day and we had been drinking and that's why we slept over.

Of course we were playing rock band or something till like four o'clock in the morning. Do they even have that game anymore? 

Becca Powers: I don't know. But that, those were good periods of my life too. Yeah, I mean, good old rock band night with some alcohol was a fun time. 

Heather Grzych: Yeah. So that was going on and I wake up and I go, it's New Year's Day.

I'm gonna say set an intention or something I want, or whatever, and I said, I'm gonna be happy and healthy. Mm. And then I, just had this, something hit me where the voice in my head said, you said that last year too, and you don't feel any different. 

Becca Powers: Wow. I just got the goosebumps. That's 

Heather Grzych: profound, really, when you think about it.

And I just kind of panicked once I had that realization and then I. It was quietly, we stayed New Year's Day and we were watching a football game or something and I was quietly observing everything and thinking I need to leave the country and do a yoga teacher training. I just was like, I need to get out of here for a minute and just reflect on my life.

And I knew that the only, I mean, that's pretty 

Becca Powers: badass. I did my yoga teacher training locally and I think, you know, leaving the country may have been cool. 

Heather Grzych: it has its pros and its cons, which we can talk about. But I, just hit this place where I wanted, I knew that the only place that I felt peace and happiness and joy was at the end of a yoga class.

And I was like, why is that the only time I feel this way that I wanna feel? And so I. Had this thing in my mind all day and I just started like observing. No one else knew that this was going on. And within days I had decided that I was gonna leave the country in a month and go to Costa Rica and do a yoga teacher training.

And I literally went into work and said, what's the maximum amount of time you'll let me, Not work for, I had all vacation time, but you know, when you leave work for a long time. 'cause I had a corporate job back then. Yeah, I understand. They're like, uh, anything more than a week is bad. Yeah.

I needed a month off. And so I was like, that's a sabbatical. That's like big time. I had been working there for 13 years at that point. So it was, a big deal and I don't know, maybe it was like a midlife crisis or something, but I was trying to get pregnant with my husband. At the time.

Oh, of course. And I'm like, drinking until four o'clock in the morning, and wondering why I'm not getting pregnant. No. you're hilarious. That's not the reason, because there are many people who get pregnant when they're drunk, but I was not getting pregnant and I'm young and I'm like, why is this happening?

And it wasn't to the point yet where the doctors were like, you know, 'cause once you hit a year, they think you have a fertility issue. 

Becca Powers: Right. 

Heather Grzych: Or they tell you to try for a year. And anyway, so I couldn't get pregnant with my husband and I go and I ended up going to do this yoga teacher training, but when I came back, I left him.

Becca Powers: Oh, 

Heather Grzych: wow. It was like I realized that I wanted to change a bunch of things in my life when I left. And I like lost eight pounds and became a vegetarian. And anyway, so that was this really drastic thing that happened in my life, an event that I chose. And it just changed the course of my life. I ended up, teaching yoga.

I still had a corporate job for a while after that. And then I went to Ayurveda school to study Ayurveda and I just wrestled with this. I don't know. You, you might understand this 'cause you deal with the practical real world and you also have this like, yes. Uh, desire to explore things that are a little bit different and maybe feel woo woo.

And I was looking at all these programs to study in grad school and I'm like, oh, I should do this one 'cause it's more practical and I should do this one. This one's gonna give me the ability to do this. and I just was like, you know what? I don't wanna do any of those. I wanna do this thing. That's really weird.

That's awesome. And I did it. it's come with its struggles, but like I ended up years later having a child, like the year I turned 40 and getting pregnant on the first try after, years of preparation and cleansing and things like that. But that's kind of the gist of it. I think a lot of my story is wrapped up in this move from being disconnected with my soul.

Uh, 

Becca Powers: you're saying all the right words, like, I have so many things that I just wanna ask you, but please finish. 

Heather Grzych: No, that's it. You know, I mean, it's, there's a lot, I've been trying to create Ayurveda as a healthcare profession in the us. I'm the president of the National Ayurvedic Medical Association.

My son is eight years old now. This is so many years later. A lot has happened in the middle of that. Right. But so wh which part of that should we dive into? Oh my gosh, 

Becca Powers: there's so much. But I think I want to start where I think for so many of us, our journey is in autopilot and it's that disconnection from the soul.

Right. I think so many people are feeling that. And in your journey of what you just shared, you, faced a truth within yourself, that your soul was telling you that you wanted to be happy and healthy, and you had to admit that you weren't. So then you had to, embark on the journey as the hero journey, right?

Like, you have to leave what's comfortable, what's normal, and go. Explore and  you picked what that exploration was going to be and you found some parts of yourself. And then even as you continued your journey, you had to continue to check in with the truth of who you were, to really get down to where your purpose is.

And so many people. Anyway, there's just so much, but I will get to a question in a second, but one of the things that I, find really fascinating and what was I was just gonna say is. I have a lot of very, driven people who listen to this and who are desperate to find their purpose and things like that.

And I don't know if this episode's gonna turn into a purpose episode or not, but where I'm going is that I. so many times people, especially in high achieving people, we think our purpose is in what we do rather than who we are and the approaches that we take. And what I'm hearing for you is that you stayed true to your calling and, your exploration.

And then that path led into where you're making your biggest contributions and where your work really matters. So I'm just gonna give that back to you and I'll, I'm gonna pick up from where you pick where you go. 

Heather Grzych: I do, I do wanna talk about purpose actually, because I think when I used to, when I was trying to find myself.

In that period of my life, and I think I was trying to find myself even harder once I started doing yoga teacher trainings. 'cause then you, going through all this self-analysis, you're reflecting on your everything. You're reflecting on your breath, you're reflecting on your thoughts, you're reflecting on how your body feels, you're reflecting on what's happening in the world around you.

And you read all these books, and you read all these personal development books and you're like, okay, I'm gonna find it. I'm gonna find my purpose. Yeah, 

Becca Powers: as if it's like a piece of rock, a rock that you're gonna find outside or something. It doesn't really work. 

Heather Grzych: It always feels like it's so far away from a distance perspective.

Like it's not there with you right now, that the purpose is not there with you right now. That the purpose is somewhere outside of you that you have to get to, that you have to reach, that you have to grasp for that. You have to do something to get to that. 

Becca Powers: Yes. Yeah. 

Heather Grzych: And then know how I realized that it, for me, it wasn't, that was, I wrote my master's thesis when I was in Ayurveda school.

I wrote it on fasting. 

Becca Powers: Hmm. 

Heather Grzych: Fasting is a huge part of my practice. it's been a huge part of my life. It's been a huge part of my client's lives. It is not for everyone. Like, I literally have a client who's fasting for a religious holiday right now, and I'm like, not a good idea for you to fast.

I know your religion told you to do it, but it's not a good idea for you to, and I think what I realized is that purpose is an energetic quality. Rather than like a figment of your mind. I love that. Tell me more. Okay, so we think when we have purpose. We know what we want to do. We know who we're going to be, what our job will be, what our title will be like.

Very ego, sort of oriented things. And I don't mean that in a negative way because I think we all have an ego, we all have an identity, but the purpose is not the identity. The purpose is like in your belly. When you think of doing something or when you are doing something, how does that belly feel about it?

Yes. It's a feeling in your gut. It's a feeling in your belly and it has warmth It drives you to do things, and it drives you in a way that is very effective. 

Becca Powers: Agreed. So, ah, there's just, I'm like so happy right now. I'm like, oh my God, this is such a great conversation. I feel like I'm having it with the right person.

I'm like, my brain, my A DHD truly has like 10 questions that it wants to spit off at the same time. I'm like, ah, but. so let's take this concept of it being like a feeling rather than a thing and, whether you wanna talk about it, through the lens of, your specialty or just, again, more of the holistic way.

Like how would someone. Who, let's just put your old, you know, our old selves back on before we went through our transformations. Like if someone's listening to this and they're the high performer that's doing it all, going to work every day, taking care of the kids, just in that cycle, but they know something's off and they have that question like, what is my purpose?

Maybe I'll get to my purpose when I'm 60. Right. Like again, it's that I'll write the book and it's that tangible thing that they think is their purpose, but they could actually be in it right now. What would you say to that person? 

Heather Grzych: I think that it's sort of an issue of time and space because it may be that whatever those thoughts are that that person feels they need to do, that may be their purpose.

That might be their purpose, like at some other point in time. Mm-hmm. But purpose is actually like what they have to do right now. Their purpose is, right there in front of them. It's the work that must be done. There's no choice. There's no choice. you must take care of your children. Yes, you must, write that report at work like in any given moment.

We have a purpose. So a purpose is not something far away, the purpose is right now, and it's actually when we start to focus too far away from where we are right now we lose that presence. That the purpose, that's where I was gonna go. Yes. Keep going. Yeah, no, that's it. It's just we lose the presence, we lose the purpose because the mind then goes to somewhere else that's not here right now.

And then all these other emotions and thoughts spiral out of that. Like, oh, I'm not where I wanna be. Whatever, reactions we have to that idea. So, even if we have a long-term vision, right? 'cause. Many of us have long-term visions of things that we want in our lives. The purpose will be to take the next step toward that vision.

Becca Powers: I love that. There's so many things that I feel are important in what you said, but I'll start with the one that's like, why I clapped my hands? Because I was like, yes. is presence. And in my own journey I thought purpose was like this other thing too, like this. Big thing.

And I have great accomplishments, like same as you. I've written books, I've done things that are very purposeful and meaningful. but when I was really just externally based, I was missing that present moment. And I really love what you said, and I can get a little bit emotional about it just because I have put so much effort into being present.

you know, if I'm in the role, like I do feel like purpose is also like role-based, like you're saying, like, when I'm a mom, my purpose is to like in my mom hat, right? And I'm with my kids. My purpose is to be like. They're mom. Right. And when I started, I don't know that I really have ever articulated it like this before, but I love what you're saying because I've experienced it and now there's some language that I'm putting to it.

But it's like I've been able to hear the things that they don't say. I've been able to see the things that they don't, you know, that the kids, yeah. When like as and when I have my mom hat on, or the same as a wife or when I'm. In my work role, right? Like I really have been more purposeful and present in where I'm giving my intention when I'm giving it.

And this beautiful thing has happened where my wellness has increased, which I'm sure we can talk about. both like, my physical stuff healed. granted I did a lot of things to get there, but. my emotional state, my physical state, my mental state, my spirituality, we talked about disconnection.

Like all of a sudden I feel full, I feel connected, and I feel purposeful. Like, I feel purposeful as a human, not necessarily in the thing that I'm creating. Does that make sense? 

Heather Grzych: it does. And the thing that's coming to me is this fertility thing. Is a really good example of the struggles that we have with purpose, right?

Because it's this thing where we become so obsessed with something that we want 

Becca Powers: Yes, 

Heather Grzych: which is outside of us, which is not here right now. The thing that we want is not here right now in time and space. People have these visions. I wanna hold a baby. and it's like, whatever else you want in your life.

I want that car, I want that business, I want, you know, whatever else you want in life, you have this vision of it. there's something about it that you want. Right. It's an idea, but it's actually in your mind. It's in your mind. It's not here right now. And that can be very frustrating for us.

Becca Powers: Absolutely. 

Heather Grzych: And, I think it's a really good example having, walked this walk with a lot of people that go through that journey or like people who wanna write a book or people who wanna start a business. Any kind of manifestation like activity can be very challenging. 'cause we always get caught in between our desire of the mind.

All right, here's a really cool thing I learned in Ayurveda school. I can't wait to hear it. One of my teachers said, whenever you get caught between a desire of the mind and a desire of the body, you let the body win. 

Becca Powers: Ooh. And that comes back to that warm feeling you were talking about too. 

Heather Grzych: Yeah.

 'cause in Ayurveda we're like obsessed with bodily functions, it's spiritual. it's bios, psychospiritual medicine, right? So we're dealing with body, we're dealing with my, we're dealing with that connection to spirit. And when you sneeze, you're not gonna try to stop that sneeze, are you?

When you have to yawn, you're not gonna try to stop that yawn when you have to pee. You shouldn't try to stop that pee even if you're on that meeting, you know, so just this, focus on very simple. Biological things, yeah. Is really important and connects us back with the fact that we are animals, we are divine as well.

Highly intelligent, different than the other creatures. Yes. On the planet, for sure. but at the same time we're animals. And so coming back into that animal state, which is actually. A very creative state for us to be in and to return to that, 

Becca Powers: I'm still like, there's so many things that you, I swear I could talk to you for like three hours and totally be fine.

 but there's two things that you said and, and I know, that they go hand in hand, creativity and fertility. To a certain degree. Right. And all like that sacral chakra work. but I do want to maybe take it there, Let's talk a little bit more, because whether we're talking, even though we are talking about baby, you know, having a baby with fertility and infertility in that sense.

But you also mentioned like it could be this, this, or this. And the manifesting pro where either our dreams are either infertile, right, because of some blockage. Or they become fertile because we've learned how to nurture and, give them what they need to come to life. So we could talk about a physical baby just for the sense of the audience, but, if it goes sideways into something else, that's cool too.

But I really like, let's just go there. Like how do we go about that transition from infertility to fertility? 

Heather Grzych: Yeah. I think with that journey, there's obviously a lot of physical things that we could talk about. Sure. And I think it's Probably more worth it for us to talk about this mind piece of it, right?

This mind. Sure. Let's do that piece of it. Certainly when I work with people, I deal with the physical piece, but I think it, makes sense to talk about the mind soul piece because everybody can relate to it. 

Becca Powers: Yes. 

Heather Grzych: And it's this thing of I want something in the future and I don't have it now, or I want something now and I don't have it now.

And then there's a, or maybe even. a different journey, which is the mom who has the kids, who's afraid that they're growing up and is afraid that she's not gonna have them at home anymore. Or like, some parents are happy about that, but a lot of parents are not. And those are two different experiences.

So for me, what I did, because I was older, when I finally had my kid, it was literally like. Do I wanna have a kid? Once that happened where I couldn't get pregnant, I kind of like pushed it away For a long time I was like, lemme just focus on myself and if that's gonna happen, that's gonna happen. Whatever.

Like I knew I was not gonna ever freeze my eggs or go through IVF or something like that, that was just not in line with my values. And at that time it wasn't as popular. Right? It wasn't as accessible than it is now. I feel for women today and parents today when they have to contemplate that, 'cause they start to feel like they have to do that.

Right? Um, like we all feel like we have, yeah. There's an, added pressure because it's so accessible. Yeah. And we all feel like we have to buy insurance. So we buy insurance. Right. It's kind of the same thing. So I think what I did instead was I went past the thing that I want, which is.

Okay, I wanna be a mom. And I wasn't really even sure why I wanted to be a mom, but I was like, all right, let's say I'm a mom. Let's say I'm there. What happens after that? And I was like, okay, like take care of the kid. I do all this stuff. I don't know what it looks like, but then at some point that kid's gonna grow up and that kid's not even gonna be there anymore.

So even that is impermanent. That thing that I want, right? Yeah. Is also impermanent. So I just kind of like went past it and then. Going past it made me realize, okay, like I can't get too obsessed with this. Because you do get obsessed with it when you want a baby. Once that idea goes in your mind, women go nuts.

And especially if they've tried and it's not working, it is just, yeah, and that's 

Becca Powers: why I kind of wanted to talk to you about it in our pre-show chat, because I've only had the one, one conversation about fertility on the show, I know personally in my group of friends who were now mid forties, but I still have a lot of friends in their thirties like.

This has become like a real infertility is, you probably have stats about it too, but I feel like it's on the rise. 

Heather Grzych: Yeah. 

Becca Powers: So it's a very common conversation and I think I wanted to bring your expertise there. So 

Heather Grzych: it's huge. I mean, depending on what country you look in, depending on, how you look at it, one in 10, one in six people, you know are gonna struggle with it.

 it's a huge challenge and everybody wants to know why it's happening. Yeah. And then everybody's running their, fertility hormones and finding out, you know, where their A MH levels are, which is like, it tells you, about your follicles and your ovaries. Yeah. It's not actually just not a female issue.

It's also a male issue as well. Like there was a really interesting book that came out a couple of years ago. Dr. Shanna Swan called. Countdown, which was It just super freaky. There's data showing that male sperm counts have decreased by like, 60 something percent. Oh wow.

1970s. we've also had a population boom in that time, so probably people don't really understand, the impact of that. And then there's all these theories about toxicity and the environment, stuff like that. And the food. Yeah. And then I go back and I think about my. Not to excuse the environmental toxicity, but I think about my sort of father-in-law.

'cause my partner and I never got married, but he was, really old British guy who lived in London when they still had soot. you know, from heating, cold heating and there's like so everywhere in the streets and stuff. And I'm thinking about how gross and toxic the world was for him back then and how much cleaner.

There's no soot everywhere. So, every era has its toxicity Sure. To deal different types of toxicity to deal with. But it's, sorry, I just went off on a total tangent there. No, but 

it's great. everything's just really helpful. 'cause you're doing, you're giving lots of like, brain candy, Yeah. So the fertility thing though, it's,a huge challenge. A lot of people are going through it, and all I can do is share, what I went through, And what I learned in Ayurveda and what I've seen with other people and tell the story. Yeah, and you were talking 

Becca Powers: about the mind piece too, which I don't know if you have more to share there, but I'd really like to, you know, we have a few minutes left, but like, share with the audience maybe how they might be able to use their mind to, fertilize.

Heather Grzych: Their Yeah. Desire. So everything we experience in life, it's like we want something, there are certain things that we can do. We can make the cup of coffee, we can cook the meal, we can get the pen and write the thing. There are actions that we can take that we have complete control over in life. 

Becca Powers: Yeah, 

Heather Grzych: we could just control that totally.

Then there are actions that we don't have complete control over. We do something and then we have to wait for feedback from the environment. And fertility or starting a business or anything like that is one of those things where it's not just us that can do it and those of us who are highly achieving and highly competent, that in and of itself is the worst part of trying to start a family because we can't do it by ourselves.

Right. You know, even if you go and you get, an embryo and you go complete like. get an embryo, get it implanted, just do it all yourself. 'cause there are a lot of people who do that and don't have a partner or that have a partner and there's an issue where they can't do it together.

Right? Even then, there's still only so much you can control because each of us is this convergence of not just what we do, but what is happening in the environment around us. So our ability to read. Both our body and the environment around us is the number one skill to cultivate oof time. I that my teacher, 

 Dr. Vasant Lad, who's like the, Ayurveda guru in the United States. A lot of us studied with, he used to talk about it like a flashlight. You have a flashlight, which is your awareness. And your flashlight can come into your body and it can be aware of your thoughts and your feelings and your body sensations.

And then you have your flashlight can go outside your body. You can call that interoception or an X interoception. Yeah. Modern, biomedical, or modern. Language. So this flashlight has to go in and it has to go out. Some people are oriented to be very inward with their flashlight. Some people are oriented to be very outward with their flashlight.

Mm-hmm. But what you want is inward and outward at the same time. So you want to have. Both inward and outward. So the yogi who's trying to meditate and be by themselves and learn all the things that they need to learn about themselves and study their body and study their heart rate, and study their breathing and study their menstrual cycles and study their whatever other thing they have on their aura ring or their.

Apple watch, or that's reading biometrics. We didn't have those when I was doing this either. I just felt my body, I took my own pulse, you know? the external reading, the weather, reading, the dryness in the air, reading the way the wind is blowing, reading trends in the environment, reading the relationships.

Listening so very deeply, you know, like you're saying, where you listen and you, hear those things that are being left unsaid, which I do think deeper level of inner awareness is necessary in order to get that deeper external listening as well. Sure. And so I know there's a lot of physical and, with fertility anyway, there's a lot of physical things that we could do.

To change that situation manually, physically manipulating things, hormonally manipulating things, chemically manipulating things. In Ayurveda, we do cleanses and different herbal treatments, for fertility type stuff, but it's also this us

deep, deep, deep listening to, mm. I mean, because when I really think back of it, I'm not saying that people who wanna get pregnant, like who think they wanna get pregnant, they don't really wanna get, I did not like, when I think back, I don't think I deeply wanted to get pregnant personally. Ah. Like I think I was, I realized I was like really afraid of it, but I felt I needed to do it because everybody else was doing it.

And I am not saying that is what other people who are dealing with fertility issues are dealing with. I definitely don't wanna give anybody that impression. But the best you can do is in every moment, figure out what you want in that moment. That's the best you can do. Yes, that's it. you can't control.

Two weeks from now, you can only control what's happening right now. 

Becca Powers: And I think. In itself. That's an empowering message, but I know we're at the bottom of the 30 minutes and I'm so sad, but like that flew by. But let's, take that as a transitional moment for me to ask you one more question before we share, like how everyone can stay in touch with you.

if the listener is taking the conversation that we had today and starts applying some of the principles, how would it empower their life? 

Heather Grzych: Yeah, it would empower their life because they would be available for what is right in front of them. Mm-hmm. And when you're available for what is right in front of you, you see opportunities that you would've missed.

Hmm. You see light that you would've missed, you see love that you would've missed, you see joy that you would've missed when the mind. Would be so if the mind were too narrowly focused on this desire, this goal, whatever, then we lose our greater awareness. When we have our greater awareness, we know we can clearly see what's happening in front of us, and then we can make the choice to do the next thing.

Just do the next thing. Take that, you know, it sounds cheesy, but it's like the next step, the one foot in front of the other. 

Becca Powers: Mm-hmm. 

Heather Grzych: You put that next foot down, then you put that next foot down and you feel it. It's like you go in the woods and there's no trail there. There's no trail. You have to figure out, oh, there's a rock there.

I'm not going there. Oh, there's a bush there. That one's gonna scrape my leg. Just really feeling that next thing to do, that next moment. That was really beautiful. It 

Becca Powers: made me tear. Yeah, it was beautiful. Well, Heather, how can everyone who's listening stay in touch with you? 

Heather Grzych: I. Thank you so much. it's hard to Google me 'cause my last name is so weird.

 but heather grish.com. Heather G-R-Z-Y-C h.com. It'll be in the show notes too. Guys, I don't do a lot of social media. I've been sort of bad about it, but I try to post something like once a week on Instagram. but I check my messages there all the time. So people can message me there, heather grish.com.

My Instagram is at Heather Grish, and I think it's this, you know, that next step that might be whatever, setting up a consultation. It might be even if there's like a long-term vision way down the road. But there is a next step for everybody. There's a next step. Oh, I need to go drink a glass of warm water.

Now there's one next step for everybody. 

Becca Powers: That's beautiful. Well, Heather, it is so good to see you again. Thank you for coming on the empowered half hour and sharing all of your wisdom with us. Becca, it's always a pleasure to be with you.