From Burnout to Breakthrough

In this episode of The EmPOWERed Half Hour, I sit down with shamanic healer, spiritual teacher, and retreat facilitator Meghan Gilroy.

In this episode we explore:

• Why success on paper can still feel empty
• How disconnection shows up in high achieving women
• The truth about people pleasing and self abandonment
• What a dark night of the soul really means
• How to move through seasons of breakdown and transformation
• Why you cannot recreate your life using the same tools

Quotes from this episode:

“I was focused on teaching other people how to run retreats and doing business coaching, and I was hiding that shamanic part of me in the background.” – Meghan Gilroy

“You can’t recreate your life using the same tools that you used to create it the first time.” – Meghan Gilroy

“The most powerful woman is a relaxed woman.” – Meghan Gilroy

“When work is severely out of alignment, life will happen.” – Becca Powers 

“You can almost see it in your hand what you’re supposed to do.” – Becca Powers

Connect with Meghan:

• Website: www.meghangilroy.com
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/meghangilroy/
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/meghan.gilroy.1

Mentioned on the episode:

• The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz
• Express Your Intention to Join Meghan for the November 2026 Retreat to Egypt

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Transcript

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Becca Powers: Welcome to another episode of The Empowered Half Hour, and I'm so excited to bring you today's guest. Whenever I get to bring you guys a little like spiritual teacher, I get so happy because, well, I don't get to talk about it all the time on the podcast. mean, sometimes I do, but not. All the time, and there's that part of me that just loves the spiritual journey.

So let me go ahead and introduce you to today's guest. We have Megan Gilroy, who is a shamanic healer, a spiritual teacher, and retreat facilitator. And she's a mama. She does a lot of things. We were just talking about the, and she definitely has that. But Megan, welcome to the show. 

Meghan Gilroy: I'm so excited to be here.

Thanks for having me. I just love this blend of spiritual and practical and we're gonna have an amazing conversation. 

Becca Powers: Oh my gosh. I know in our pre-talk we were getting all excited. I'm like, okay, I just, right. 

Meghan Gilroy: We gotta save it. We gotta save it. 

Becca Powers: Yeah. Like, I'm getting so excited. 

 so one of the things we talked about was 

 about 20 something years ago, you started taking journeys to the pyramids. 

Meghan Gilroy: Mm-hmm. 

Becca Powers: And today you are doing, power journeys to the pyramids. I wanted to make sure I said it right I wanna know how did this all start? How did you go to the pyramids for the first time? Why did you go?

Yeah. Like, why are you so committed and passionate about it today? I have lots of questions. 

Meghan Gilroy: Well, I'm happy to answer. So I was your typical, overachieving people, pleasing, perfectionist, all in my early years. I'm sure a lot of us can be raising hands about that. And I was probably voted most likely to be successful and least likely to be a shaman.

So when I was in my early twenties, I,just had one of those moments where this force in my life. This calling in my life was guiding me, even though I was trying to check off all the boxes about what I thought it meant to be successful and my life fell apart with relationship and career. And I ended up meeting Don Miguel Ruiz, who wrote the four Agreements, and a couple months later I found myself going on a trip to the pyramids with him.

And I didn't even know there were pyramids in Mexico at the time. My spiritual home is now Teo Buan, which are the pyramids outside of Mexico City. When I was there, I just was able to shift out of being in that very goal oriented, trying to do the right thing, putting other people first, and shift into a place where I was able to open up to my soul and open up to spirit guidance and intuition.

And that just really changed the trajectory of my life. And since then, I. I've been back there countless times and once again, my life had that same kind of struggle where I found myself back in that place of like looking very successful. I have the beautiful Ranchette in Colorado and I had a, seven figure business and my kids were in good schools, but inside I was quietly dying and.

Becca Powers: Really, 

Meghan Gilroy: you know, not so intimate with my husband, not so present with my children. Just really feeling like there was a piece missing because I was focused on teaching other people how to run retreats and doing business coaching, and I was hiding that shamanic part of me in the background. And when I realized I could no longer sacrifice what.

I was doing each and every day that I had to get more and more in alignment with who I was and why I'm here on the planet. Then my life went through that dark night of the soul. But coming through to the other side, it meant that I was able to be in a place where I can be in a place of relaxation.

Which I know we're gonna talk about. And regulation and power as opposed to stress and resentment and frustration and just, like wishing the kids would go to bed at night 'cause they're so exhausted. And so since then, I've been taking groups also to the pyramids of Egypt, which are absolutely incredible.

And what I see is that when we take ourselves out of our everyday lives for extended periods of time. That many of us have read all the books, we've listened to the podcasts, we've gone on the workshops, which are all amazing. But when we actually give ourselves the permission to go to a place of power, which was designed by the ancients to support your awakening and your transformation and your, in a group of, women and sometimes some men that have a specific intent to it, and you give yourself that time and space.

To not just heal those places that you would prefer to kind of keep in the background but also open up to the spiritual messages. That's when you really can start to answer that call of your soul and amplify your sacred light and activate that lit up life. And then when you come home, there's something fundamentally anchored in your body and fundamentally shifted, and you can then start integrating that into having your everyday life be much more aligned.

Becca Powers: So there's so many. Amazing things that you said in this opening and I'm like trying to decide which way I wanna go, which, 

Meghan Gilroy: where should I go? 

Becca Powers: Which way I wanna go first. But I think starting with the listener journey, there's probably so many listeners right now just like, oh my God.

Like same. Like I have, Worked myself to whatever, and maybe they haven't come out of their dark night of the soul yet, and they're still just in that like, powering through process where they're going to work every day. They're successful on paper, which is a lot of the listeners, six, seven figure, careers, moms at home or parents at home but they are going to bed depleted.

They're going to bed like, did I actually spend time with my kids or did I just look at them? You to know that disconnection or this experience they're having is a pretty normal in today's society, but B, they don't have to settle for it. Mm-hmm. So I think 

Meghan Gilroy: mm-hmm.

Becca Powers: I wanna just talk about acknowledging that first and then I'd love to talk about the dark night of the soul and then like coming out of it if that progression. Okay. Alright. So let's just start at that. Like what should they be thinking right now If they're hearing you say there's a way out, obviously maybe some hope, but.

Talk a little bit about like someone's in that state, some of the questions they might be able to ask themselves or mm-hmm. to start to get some movement. 

Meghan Gilroy: So I think what happens when we're in that state is that we're used to relying on how we were told we're supposed to be.

And for most women, we were brought up being caretakers, being people pleasers, being taken care, like attuning to the outside world, making sure everyone else is okay and putting ourselves last. And so when you go on this journey where you're starting to say, I matter, I'm not too much, I'm not too little, I am, I am willing to actually put myself in the center of my life and say that.

Becca Powers: Some space, right? Like 

Meghan Gilroy: take up some space, 

Becca Powers: right? 

Meghan Gilroy: Say that I'm important, my needs are worthy. that's a fundamental shift. And what I find is that you can't recreate your life using the same tools that you used to create it the first time. most of us are used to using our will and using our smarts and just being able to push, push, push.

And that's why we're exhausted. And so when we say, oh, there's another way, and to me, if I could put that in a shorthand code, it would be shifting into a more. Spark Tal divine feminine way, which means that you're tuning into your soul, you're tuning into your inner guidance, you're tuning into your spirit guidance, and you're listening for those little breadcrumb stuffs and those little clues about how is.

Something that may seem totally illogical or it doesn't make any sense, but you know it's true in your heart, or you know it's true in your gut, and you start following that path, that's when it starts to open up. And one of the best ways I do that when I work with my clients privately, or I'm teaching gatherings and events, we almost always do shamonic journeying, and I do it without plant medicine, which is unique.

I've never had someone who hasn't come and dropped into that place of quiet and coherence. And to have that field just open up to start listening. And I think that's something that our culture in our society encourages us not to do because I would 

Becca Powers: agree. 

Meghan Gilroy: The most powerful woman is a relaxed woman, is a woman who knows that she's sacred, knows she's worthy.

That knows that when she listens to her visions and when she listens to her messages, that's going to create a different result than just grinding away or just external success, but not feeling fulfilled. 

Becca Powers: There's so much in that because I think to your point, part of this, I call it like it's an epidemic of disconnection that's happening mm-hmm.

Right now, and I know some people are like, that sounds extreme. I'm like, well, how many people are actually connected to source in themselves? It's an epidemic. I really, 

Meghan Gilroy: or even your own intuition, right? It doesn't have to be some, some big, I think that's intentional, right? I mean, I don't wanna go too far down the rabbit hole, but listen, you know, a patriarchal, 

Becca Powers: I'm like the system designed it that way.

Okay. 

Meghan Gilroy: Yeah. I mean the patriarchal system, it's invested in not having us listen to what's true to us. Because if we're attuned to external validation, attuned to what everyone around us wants, attuned to what this is ourselves. We won't. Yeah. And that's why when we go into ceremony, when we do sacred practices, when we come into community with other women, when we go on these kind of power journeys and retreats, then you're able to access that wisdom and you're able to realize you're not alone.

And you're able to have a support system of women who say like, we got your back. You're not crazy. And I think that's the biggest travesty of the way our system is set up right now, is that we've all been taught that, those synchronicities or Have a download or you, talk to some spirit guys, dismiss 

Becca Powers: it or you're crazy.

Meghan Gilroy: Exactly. Right. Or you don't even understand how do I even do that? So many people don't even understand what those signs are and how you access, your Claire's, clairvoyant, Clara, Ian Clair sentient, they don't even know what it is and they're already doing it. It's just that no one's helped them put the pieces together.

to recognize the signs. And then a lot of my work has to do with self-trust and to start trusting those messages you hear and to hear them and then also act on them. And that really reconfigures your life over time. 

Becca Powers: And I think you might be able to help some of the listeners maybe think about.

Catastrophe and their life a little different too. And, meaning like that dark night of the soul. I've been through a few seasons of that and I might actually even be going through another one. What I have found and curious, your take on this is like when work is severely out of alignment, life will happen.

Meghan Gilroy: Yes. 

Becca Powers: And it will feel like. We lost our sh%t Like we're not holding it together two by four 

Meghan Gilroy: over 

the 

Meghan Gilroy: head. 

Becca Powers: Yeah. Like it like we did something wrong. But it's actually, in my opinion, I feel like it's the universe coming to step in and be like, Hey girl, you were Way off course. so what I want the listener I wanna talk about is like, if you're listening to this and you have a lot on your plate, Maybe you've lost a job and you're going through a divorce, or you have a combination of chaos, like there's a chaos tornado in your life right now. It could be an invitation. versus Disaster. And I would love to give that to you to kind of talk about Megan. 

Meghan Gilroy: Yeah, I'd love to. To break down how I think about that and experience it.

'cause I've also gone through many of those cyclical, dark nights of the soul. And thank God I've had mentors and women around me that can help hold me through that. And over time, obviously I know how to hold myself and hold other women through that. And so when you are in a cyclical cycle of creation, which mimics nature, there's.

The time of, spring, and in the Sermonic tradition, we would say it's in the East where it's the vision, it's the newness, right? It's the flowers coming up out of the ground and we all love that time. And then if you move into south and summer, that's the time where you're working. You're saying yes and no.

You're creating, you're in full visibility. And then we move into the west and fall, and that's when you're harvesting and you're healing. And then north and. Winter is a time of fallowness. It's the time when everything dies and it goes back into the earth. And as a culture, we like east and south, we like spring and summer, We like the perpetual. Growth but we don't so much like when you have to go inward, when things fall away, when you feel like you're dying. And there has been so many times when my life looks like it's falling apart and I'm literally on the ground, saying I don't understand what's happening.

Becca Powers: You can't see your way out of that. And I really believe that during those times, it's not that you're meant to because you have to allow that process to happen. And when you have. A community or you have a mentor that's holding the space for it, it certainly makes it easier. And so many women go through that healing phase and go through that phase of understanding, their beliefs, their agreements, their stuck emotions, their nervous system patterns, and When they start to start to feel like, Ooh, I'm ready for something like what's next? That's also a whole other phase of creation, and they don't realize that, you need time to vision based on who this new you is and who this new identity is and what dreams does she have, that you actually stepped across a threshold into a whole new way of being.

Meghan Gilroy: And from the visioning, you also need support. And then how do you go after you've been activated? How do you go out and create. And stay alignment with your soul's calling. Even when the world around you might be contesting that. And that allows you to really be in service and bring your soul gifts to your families and community and the world.

And I feel like that is so important right now. the world is screaming for women to wake up and go from confusion to clarity and go from 

Becca Powers: goosebumps. 

Meghan Gilroy: it's time to go from burnout to fulfillment. Self-doubt to self-trust from 

Becca Powers: Yes. 

Meghan Gilroy: playing small to sacred leadership. And unfortunately, it's not like a tree just goes from like a seed to a full grown tree to dropping its leaves back into the ground.

So we have to allow ourselves the time to go through these cycles. And as excruciating as it is to go through the dark nights, every single time I've walked through that or I've walked one of my clients through that. You come through more aligned, you come through more fulfilled, you come through more authentic.

You come through. In a way that I truly believe that when you are in alignment with your soul, it's not that you don't have bumps or challenges, but you are in that basic state of like, I can breathe deeply. And it's almost like a shortcut, a healthy shortcut. It's like spirit is supporting you as you go because you're doing what you're here to do.

And so instead of Putting all this effort into that misalignment and the places where you're burning up energy, 'cause you're frustrated and resentful and exhausted, you're actually being carried by a current and a flow. And then, the people come into your life that are meant to support you and the situations have less drama in it and the opportunities open up.

Becca Powers: I love everything that you said because I think you really gave a, detailed and visceral even, response to what it's like to go, through that. Mm-hmm. But to be able to land on the other side of it and get through it, and then to have that clarity to have, 

What I would call true confidence. It's not the confidence of a skill, but it's the confidence within yourself, like you said, a self-trust that like I'm me and no matter what happens to outside I am. Okay. I feel like one of the gifts that I've gotten through my dark night, like 

Meghan Gilroy: 

Becca Powers: coming through the dark night of the soul is like, oh wow.

 you know, I can say like, I am this beautiful person who can withstand many things. Also opens up just to comment on, like you were talking about gifts and specialness mm-hmm. And the contributions that we can make. For some reason, once you get to the other side, you can almost like see it in your hand what you're supposed to do.

Meghan Gilroy: All your guides are like cheering right now. 

Becca Powers: I'm like, I dunno what to call it, but it's clarity, but not clarity in a decision. It's like you just can see, you see fully, right? 

Meghan Gilroy: my biggest wish for anyone is really that you're able to hold yourself.

No matter what. So right now our world is getting very noisy and chaotic, and I think that's gonna be one of the biggest skill sets that is gonna allow us to find our way through. Our lives are busy and full. So when you can say, no matter what's happening on the outside, I still am in touch with what's true and right for me, and I'm in a place of resource.

And I'm in a place of vibrancy and inspiration and of, course we have our days and our, challenges, but when you have that basic strength and resilience and clarity, then you're able to navigate through and you get to reach your handout to other people and say, I got you. I see you. You get to be that light that holds that space for everyone else and.

Just because you've gone through it once, like you said, we often have multiple times of this in our life, and so to me, the goal isn't that you're trying to get your life to look perfect, but you can keep hearing the guidance, you can keep knowing that no matter what's going on, you're able to meet it and find your way through.

Becca Powers: Yes. I love that. So, let's move the conversation into the pyramid. So we've talked a little bit about, being on autopilot, so to speak, like what that feels like. We've talked about autopilot erupting into complete dark night of the soul in a chaos tornado. But let's talk about the soul journey.

Like you take people to pyramids, to places of power so that they can come into the power within themselves. 

Meghan Gilroy: Exactly, 

Becca Powers: but I would love to hear what that journey looks like and what someone who were to take an adventure or a journey like this might be able to expect as far as an outcome, but also that reconnection to their soul.

I mean, I love so much of what you're saying. I'm like, let's go. 

Meghan Gilroy: Yeah. Well, I think each journey is different because whether I'm taking someone to Mexico or taking them to Egypt, there's a different intent behind it. But what's feels the same to me is that when you go to a place of power, and there are many places beyond just pyramids that are like that on the planet when you go to a place of power, the ancients who created that.

Embedded intent and energy and codes there. And there's also usually our type spirit guides. So when I take people to Egypt, for example, we often work with the goddess Isis. And she is the goddess of magic and mothering and healing. And she wraps her wings around you to allow whatever is in that shadowy, I don't wanna look at this.

It's painful. It's causing me suffering or angst to be. like we were just speaking, like hold that to move it through. And we work with Sekhmet who's the goddess of feminine indignation and anger and rage. And when I went to the pyramids a couple years ago, she's actually in a temple. There's a 3000 year old statue there.

And I felt her insert a blade into my solar plexus, like this is happening in a vision and it unlocked all the places inside of me where I wasn't connected to my anger. And I don't mean anger in a lake. Throw it up on other people. I mean, a healthy anger that's showing me where my boundaries are and showing me this is okay for me and this is not okay for me.

And that was an enormous couple year process. And then we often work with Hawthorne who's the goddess of pleasure and play and creativity and your voice. And so. One of the things that I am journeying right now in my life is I've gone through so many, so much healing and dark nights, and I'm like, is my life really designed?

So it nourishes me? So as much as I give out, that much comes back. And I'm in a place where pleasure is important and joy is important, and. Peace is important and it's very eyeopening when you look at your life and you realize like, wow, those things are missing even when you've been on a big spiritual journey.

So 

Becca Powers: yes, 

Meghan Gilroy: each time we 

Becca Powers: go, I've experienced that myself. Not to interrupt you, but that's kind of where I am intentionally. Putting over the next couple years. I mean, I've had pretty profound spiritual awakenings and journeys. I've been on my spiritual journey for over 20 years, and every time I do a certification, I open up so much because you get embodied into the work.

But what I realized is that, you part of the spiritual journey is to have joy. And pleasure and fulfillment and peace. And I'm like, oh yeah. Y You could be as spiritual as you. want to be or that your certifications have allowed you to be, yourself has allowed you to be whatever container or words you put on it, but you could still be missing the essence.

So I love 

Meghan Gilroy: that. Exactly. Like we're so busy healing that we forget there's a purpose 

Becca Powers: to this. Yeah, that's, I mean, it's like, oh, I've been in this container healing, I've done this many hours in Asana and I've done this, this, and like,

Meghan Gilroy: I find that a lot with spiritual women is that we've done the healings, we've done the certifications, and there's still that missing piece.

And so when I go to Egypt and we're, floating down the Nile and the birds and the reeds and the water, that sounds 

Becca Powers: amazing. 

Meghan Gilroy: there's so many beautiful essential oils and all the spices in the souks, the marketplaces. It's like there's a balance between doing these deep, deep spirit ceremonies where you're opening those channels to spirit.

And of course there's places and times for healing, but there's also this deep recognition of like, I've done lifetimes of healing work, and I also deserve to just sink in and relax and exhale and enjoy. Yeah. And I think having that combination As deep as we go into the spiritual side and as deep as we go into how can we actually integrate this into our everyday life, there's also actually that invitation to have fun, have the connections, have the dancing, the laughter, just enjoying the incredible food and that shifts something so that when you come back in your everyday life and you realize like, wow, 

 you I'll catch myself getting ready for something. gobbling my food up instead of like, right, this is meant to be an experience where it brings me enjoyment. Or, I actually do take the three minutes to sit in the sun and really connect to that ray of light. So I, think those kind of very simple practices are often missing from our world because we are so oriented to being in our heads and thinking and doing that.

We forget that. Quiet time, intuition, nature, supportive community. Those are super important as well. And our retreats are like these. Beautiful, it's not that we're like retreating from the world to get away from it. We're retreating so that we can strengthen and we can activate what we need to on our soul path and then come back into our lives in a more empowered way.

Becca Powers: there's so much in what you said. I feel like I could talk to you for two hours even about the podcast thing, I mean, yes, to just finish that statement, like to come back to being this. we're so busy doing that.

We miss being, and I think that's a really important takeaway for the listeners. when you were mentioning that you were working with one of the ascended masters Oh, goddesses. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Goddesses that you felt a sword go through your, solar plexus representing anger. Mm-hmm. I unintentionally worked with one.

Collie is one that works with me, huh? 

Meghan Gilroy: Yep. 

Becca Powers: I love and fear when she shows up, I'm like, mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I know you right. But the first time I saw her, she showed up beautiful. so I know she has her goddess side and her warrior side, but she showed up in her goddess side and I was doing, a massive two hour meditation thing with live gongs and all that.

We were working sacral chakra as well, and I saw her come to me and my sacral chakra was outside my body. 

She was like, your child, this is supposed to be. And I visually in my vision too, how you saw the sword. Like, it's funny that you, we had different experiences but saying, chakra with a deity, she, um, pushed it back in me.

Meghan Gilroy: Yeah. 

Becca Powers: And my life was a lot different from that moment on. 

Meghan Gilroy: Yeah. 

Becca Powers: But there is a power and I was at Omega retreat center mm-hmm. And away from everything too. So I was able to connect and have that place to do that without the pressure around me. 

Meghan Gilroy: So powerful and I, think when you really adjust your solar plexus, which is that way that you're moving through the world and whether you have access to that will, but when there's that balance between, it's actually connected to your heart and it's connected down into your root chakra, you do move through the world in a whole different way.

And so I often say to people, when I was a business coach, I could tell you like the ROI on doing an investment. And I'm like with a power journey. It's a little harder to say that, but I know for myself. when I went to Egypt last time, I had an experience where there was like divine masculine and divine feminine, and I saw how out of balance I was between the two of those.

And when I came back home and I ended up, hiring more support of my business and. Just reorienting the way I allowed myself to be supported. It created such an enormous abundant growth for myself, and that's what I love is like you have these experiences that you're like, this doesn't make any sense, right?

I'm standing in front of a 3000 year old statue and I have this vision, and yet it rebalances something in you that allows you actually to go back into your life. Make a change in your business, make a change in your marriage, make a change with your children. Those kind of experiences are actually guiding us.

And I believe the more that we attune to being able to hear them and put ourselves in environments that allow them and be in supportive community, that holds you through that just the more, quickly our world can change and the more we will be in a place of that kind of alignment and abundance and ease and all the good things for all of us.

Becca Powers: I believe that so much too. right now we're coming down to the bottom and what I would love to do is, I am sure there's listeners right now, like how do I go on one of these power journeys, Uhhuh. So would you mind sharing with the listeners how someone could get in contact with you or how they might be able to, you know, come along and follow you to one of these?

Meghan Gilroy: Yeah, absolutely. The best way would be to go to my website, which is megan gilroy.com and it's I'm sure you'll link to it. 

Becca Powers: Yes, 

Meghan Gilroy: I'll have, and we are going this November, 2026 to Egypt, and I haven't opened up to the public yet, but it's already half sold out. So if you're interested, you can also email me at support@megangilroy.com 

whether you wanna go on a retreat or I also obviously work with people one-on-one, and I teach things regionally here in Colorado. My biggest switch is just that each woman remembers that we have a sacred light within us. And when we're glowing, when we're inspired, when we're relaxed, we're able to handle.

Life and our responsibilities and all those expectations with more ease. And so I'm just excited for more and more women to be listening to our souls and reclaiming that wisdom so that we can not just transform our lives, but we just create that ripple effect through our communities and for the world.

So please come and, find me. I, I absolutely adore the women who come on my retreats, groups that come together. It's like they become lifelong friends and the experiences we have are just so beyond. 

Becca Powers: That's awesome. I got head to toe goosebumps as you were giving that empowerment statement.

And you know what's really cool? I normally ask my interviewee at the end, I'm like, Hey, can you share an empowering statement? Because it's the empowered half hour and you just did it naturally. Yeah, I was like, way to go, Megan. I don't even ask. That's cool. Well, thank you for sharing all the information as far as how to stay in contact with you.

 is there a social media platform that is good to follow you to? Are you visible? I'm 

Meghan Gilroy: on Instagram, but I'm not, super great about it. I find that. Women respond to my in-person presence. So I mostly have a lot of that kind of word of mouth or how you and I got connected through a very special person.

People tend to find me, I mean, sometimes I've come into people's dreams like it's on some other channel that I can't quite describe. But I am on Instagram, so I'm just not Megan Gilroy. 

Becca Powers: Alright, Well, thank you so much for being a guest. I knew I was gonna love this interview and I absolutely did.

It made my day. thank you for coming on and sharing all your wisdom with us. 

Meghan Gilroy: Likewise, thank you so much for having me and for all the work you're doing.